Also dieser erste und letzte Post von mir zu diesem Thema betrifft diese Leute, die einfach mal zum Spass hin und wieder tiefgehende Drogen wie LSD, DMT, DPT oder Pilze nehmen.
Ich beziehe mich jetzt auf die regelmaessigen Konsumenten.
UNd nicht unbedingt auf die, die genau wissen was sie tun!
Oder die, die 2-3 mal im Jahr LSD nehmen..
Jeder der diese Drogen nimmt sollte genau wissen, was geschieht wenn man psychedelisiert ist.
Und vor allem auch, was
DANACH geschieht und wie man damit umgehen sollte.
Ich spreche aus Erfahrung, habe teils (fast) jedes Weekend (auch hoch dosiert) psychedelische Drogen genommen teils auch in wildem Mischkonsum, sowie auch viele Dissoziativa (PCP-Analoge, MXE, Ketamin)..
Und das ueber ein paar Jahre.
Warum schreibe ich das? Weil viele in meinem Bekanntenkreis irgendwann an einen Punkt kommen, wo das Ganze ziemlich schwierig und kompliziert wird. Nehme mich selbst da nicht aus.
Ich moechte einfach, dass ihr euch BEWUSST seid, was ihr tut. Mehr nicht.
Jeder kann tun was er will.
Die Leute reden immer von Tueren, die aufgebrochen werden und nicht mehr schliessbar sind.
Doch was sind diese Tueren? Wohin fuehren sie?
Sie fuehren euch in Bereiche eures Unterbewussten.
Euer Unterbewusstes formt eure ganze Wahrnehmung, Handlungen und Denkweisen.
Eigentlich ist fast alles, was euch zu der Person macht, die ihr seid, unbewusst festgelegt.
Man kann sich denken, dass wenn man in diese Bereiche vordringt, man erstmal
komplett erstaunt darueber ist und viele Erkenntnise auftauchen, die aber schon lange in euch drinnen verankert sind. Es sind also nicht unbedingt neue Erkenntnise, sondern es sind
Dinge die ihr schon vorher wusstet, einfach nicht bewusst.
Unsere bewusste Wahrnehmung macht nur einen sehr kleinen Teil vom Ganzen aus.
Jetzt sind da die Trips, die den Weg in diesen anderen Teil (das Unbewusste) ebnen..
Ihr werdet immer tiefer in euer unbewusstes vordringen, keiner von euch wird dies verhindern koennen.
Klingt eventuell interessant und erstrebenswert, doch was bedeutet es, sich bewusst zu machen was im Unbewussten schlummert?
Es bedeutet, dass ihr danach nie wieder dieselbe Person sein werded.
Ihr werded von diesen Erfahrungen sehr stark beeinflusst.
Ich moechte nicht sagen, dass dies negativ ist oder positiv, erstmal ist
es wertneutral. Doch jeder Mensch geht anders damit um.
Und es gibt kein Zurück, bis man es erfolgreich verarbeitet hat.
Das was auf euch tief in euch drinnen wartet, ist teilweise sehr hart (aber wahr).
Gerade durch unsere Erziehung und unsere Denkweise (gepraegt von der
Gesellschaft) wird es um einiges schwieriger das zu akzeptieren.
Diese Denkweise wie wir sie kennen wird einfach gnadenlos zersplittert und
es formt sich eine neue Denk und Betrachtungsweise, dies kann man nicht umgehen.
Viele bekommen das Gefuehl, dass dies was sie gesehen/erkannt haben, zuviel ist.
Dass es einfach nicht kompatibel ist mit unserer Lebensweise.
Andere Menschen finden diese Entwicklung wiederum sehr gut und positiv.
Koennen dies auch integrieren.
Doch unsere Gesellschaft verteufelt diese Erfahrungen. Man steht alleine da.
Und das ist ein wichtiger Punkt : INTEGRATION
Ihr muesst eure Erfahrungen integrieren und bewusst machen, nach dem Trip versteht sich.
Sonst werded ihr irgendwann ziemlich hilflos dastehen mit der Menge an Informationen
die euch eure Trips geben und die auch nach dem Trip noch da sein werden.
Macht genug Pausen zwischen den Trips!!! Diese Pausen muessen subjektiv angepasst werden.
Niemand kann euch sagen wielange ihr Pausen einlegen sollt, macht es einfach so lange, bis
ihr eure Erfahrungen mit dem Alltag vereinbaren koennt. Und nehmt erst dann wieder ein Trip!
Dies ist sehr wichtig, denn durch dieses Bewusst werden koennen auch locker Angststoerungen, Depressionen oder andere psychische Probleme entstehen.
Das ist leider ein Fakt. Ist auch in meinem Bekanntenkreis vorgekommen.
Unter anderem auch, weil es schwer wird mit jemandem darueber zu reden.
Weil viele das niemals verstehen, weil sie es ja selbst nicht kennen.
Nur schon wenn man in den Bereich der psychodynamischen Prozesse und Systeme
gelangt, wird das ganze was euch zu dem macht was ihr seid, euch offenbart.
Zudem wird mit jedem neuem Trip ein neues Thema angeschlagen und es fuehrt euch
immer tiefer in das Unbewusste. Und in den tiefsten Tiefen schlummern Dinge, die man
kaum mehr beschreiben kann. Da waeren dann die ganzen transpersonalen Erfahrungen und
auch die perinatalen Erfahrungen, die euch zerschmettern keonnen ohne jemanden
der euch das erklaeren koennte oder jemanden der euch eine Stuetze sein kann.
Diese Dinge werden aktuell nicht anerkannt und man wird als haengengeblieben betitelt,
wenn man darueber auch nur ansatzweise redet. Ich habe diese Erfahrung selbst gemacht
Dies sollte nur ein kleiner Hinweis sein, nehmt es nicht zu oft und wenn, dann bitte bewusst!So und nun noch eine kleine Stuetze fuer alle die Englisch koennen, was zu tun ist bei einer Panikreaktion auf einer psychedelischen Reise :
Zitat:
What I wanted to do is just describe what a panic/anxiety attack is, what it feels like and how you can try to get rid of the negative feeling.
I'm writing because I think anxiety and panic can happen to anyone, anytime and I don't think people are prepared enough for them when taking substances. If you want to take mood altering substances you need to understand... you just have to be in a bad place in your mind at a single moment and your mind can descend into a spiral of negative thoughts, ending in an anxiety attack and a general feeling of needing to escape or flee. If you were in your right mind, you might dismiss a set of negative thoughts and put them away. But if you're feeling out of it and your mind is hazy, it can be hard not to obsess and focus on a stream of negative thought.
When this happens while affected by a substance, the general feeling is a need to escape from the effect of the drug. Of course, this can't be done. With general agoraphobic anxiety (anxiety brought on as a result of being outside your usual comfort zone) it is often possible to remove yourself from the stressful situation and calm yourself down. (Get off the tube, get out of a crowd and find a quiet place, find somewhere cool and quiet). But you can't escape an effect from a drug and if it's a long lasting one, you need to really work hard at beating the feeling otherwise you're going to have a long night!
A common anxiety with psychedelics is the classic "I'm never going to come down". I think we've all been there at some point!
So... I've already described the first stage... having some negative thoughts about how you feel or what your state of mind is.
Then there is second stage, where you begin to feel uneasy. Like when you know something's not quite right but you just can't put your finger on it! This makes you tense and your senses begin to become even more enhanced.
A further stage... you're uneasy and you're begining to feel a bit nervous... butterflies... negative thoughts such as "I feel a bit sick", "I hope I don't have a bad one", "Am I poisoned?", "I don't like it here, maybe I should get out of here and sit somewhere else", "My hands feel strange and why do I have pins and needles?", "Why do I keep thinking about bad things?". But you also have some physical effects too. More sweaty, alert... guys, your ball bag will suddenly shrink... I kid you not! A feeling of being too 'On edge' for comfort. Pins and needles, a lump in your throat, some minor chest pains.
If you continue to descend into the anxiety trap, you are now set for a full-blown anxiety attack and here it comes... you'll feel it come on quite hard too! A massive rush of adrenaline, pacing up and down, mad racing thoughts, a pounding heart like you've never had before! your heart is going at 200 bpm and it feels so unnatural that you think you might have a heart attack. You might even have some chest pains. It's the anxiety, NOT YOUR HEART DIEING!. It's a classic thought... "I'm having a heart attack and I'm going to die! Or another thought might be that you're going insane and you'll end up in an asylum or mental hospital. This fear of madness can actually be quite long lasting (longer than the actual physical panic feelings) but the thoughts do go away eventually.
On top of that feeling, you will feel scared that you are going to collapse in front of a load of people. Feel like you need an ambulance, which is very stressful in itself! Or you might be on your own and you will feel scared that no-one is around to help you if you begin to die or go crazy. And you're on drugs! What do I say to the ambulance staff? What do I say at A&E? What would I say to my parents, wife, friends, etc.
Notice how everything is peaking? All the negative thoughts have taken over, all the implications of what is going to happen... and on top of that you're tripping/speeding/rushing your tits off!
I hope that's a detailed enough description to express how very, very horrible an anxiety attack is. I'm not trying to freak anyone out but I do think that it should be understood more. Absolutely loads and loads and loads of people have suffered from anxiety attacks in their lifetimes. More than you think. When I suffered them, 70% of the people I spoke to about it told me it had happened to them! WTF!
So how do you beat it? There's loads of things you can do. Please let me know what methods you have on beating the bad trip. everyone has their own way of getting out of a bad headspace or worrying trip.
These are things I have done in the past which I find helps.
Number one.. BREATHE PROPERLY!
Breathe from your stomach and not from your chest. Imagine a gentle ball of energy just underneath your navel and imagine your breath being drawn into it and pushed out of it. That should help you to breathe properly. It's hard to breathe properly while in panic because your body will want to hyper-ventillate. Try not to because this will make you feel light-headed and will make you worry more!
When you breathe out, imagine all the bad energy being expelled out from your mouth. Give it a colour... breath coming in is green and bad energy coming out is red. As the bad energy is expelled, imagine the green ball of good energy growing.
Get some water and take some sips.
Find a cool, quiet place and sit or stand, whatever makes you feel more comfortable.
Find a friend who you can trust to talk to in confidence. Ask them to keep an eye on you.
If you're on your own, call someone and talk.
Some people like to be outside... I often found that walking burned the adrenaline off and the fresh air cools the skin and calms the mind. There's lots of distractions and things to look at too, rather than staring at the four walls of your rooms. If it's cold outside, wrap up warm , even if your body feels hot!! Wear what you would if you were sober or you risk getting hyerthermia.
If your friend can come for a walk with you, even better... go for a walk and start a conversation with them... anything... the weather... etc.
Anything to divert your attention from an inwards train of thought to an outwards one.
Take your drink with you on your walk too.
Visualise good things... someone you love, something which makes you smile, a favourite hobby, a fantasy, etc.
Do some simple counting exercises. Count in two layers like this:
one two three four ONE, one two three four TWO, one two three four THREE, one two three four FOUR...etc.
Relax your shoulders and feel how that makes your hands and arms nice and relaxed too!
You might have some pins and needles. That's ok... it's just the blood running through the veins in your hands and your nerves on overdrive... it's perfectly natural. Pins and needles is a good sign. It means that your body is doing the right thing by working the adrenaline through your system. If you can remain calm, the adrenaline will pass within 10 minutes or so. Not so long to wait!
Be brave... be mentally strong and don't let your mind go into an automatic mode. Stay rational.
Rational thoughts will help. Remind yourself that you have taken a drug and your body is reacting in the correct way. There is nothing wrong with you and you'll be fine.
Don't think about tomorrow and the next day. Just be confident that it will all be over by then and relax!
If you're feeling quite out of it, go with the flow of the drug. You took it for fun and the effect you're getting should STILL be fun now that you've identified the panic attack and are dealing with it! the anxiety and the drug are two different things so don't get them mixed up in your mind.
One of the worst things about a panic attack is NOT KNOWING WHAT IT IS! If you know what it is, you will understand that you won't die or feint. You can put your finger on what it is and deal with it rationally. It's those who DON'T know what it is that end up running around the house in a blind panic, with thoughts out of control and scared scared scared!
Remind yourself that the way you are feeling is a result of your body doing a NATURAL thing.
The body's "fight or flight" mecahanism is fairly primitive, I suppose. Your body/mind senses that you are out of your comfort zone and begins a natural process which is instinctive. It begins to prepare for a 'fight' to get out of a hazardous situation, such as from a predator, or for 'flight', running away from danger. I would reckon that a person having a massive anxiety attack could run close to a record mile! But if you're not going to fight or run a mile, then you're going to see all the symptoms of a massive adrenaline rush while you're sat on your sofa!
Shortness of breath
Palpitations or pounding heart
Chest pain or discomfort
Trembling or shaking
Dizziness
Nausea or stomach distress
Fear of losing control or going crazy
Hot or cold flashes
Sweating
Cold/clammy hands
Difficulty swallowing
Stomach pain
Bowel movement
Despite this, the body isn;t stupid.. it would never trigger natural processes like this which could kill you!! Otherwise, think about it, people would be dropping down all over the place!!
Moving around while trying to remain relaxed will help dissipate the adrenaline faster. Some people prefer to sit. Whatever makes you more comfortable.
I remember several times when I had attacks, where I was completely calm and I just gently paced about my flat with a drink in my hand observing my body's effects from the adrenaline... I was totally in control and it was actually quite interesting to experience once the inital FEAR was dealt with!
Under no circumstances should you start thinking "What if..." Just put those thoughts to the back of your mind. This is important because it's these thoughts which are likely to prevent you from being able to deal with the attack rationally.
Go on a mission. Think of something you can do, like go to the 24hr garage and get a drink or some ciggies... or even just a pack of rizlas or a Mars Bar.
Externalise your thoughts. Stop thinking inwardly and examining your thoughts and feelings. Think selflessly about something for a while to divert your attention from your own headspace and bodyspace. Think outside your anxiety bubble!!
Some people suffer what you might call "The FEAR!". This is where the fear of actually having a panic attack actually brings one on!! Sometimes the fear of the panic itself is greater than the actual panic attack! So it's very important to bear in mind that if you don't worry about it, it's very very very very very very unlikely to happen ever again! Remember that, it's important.
Also, remember that there's nothing actually wrong with having a panic attack... millions of people have them and they are in fact a natural body function... it's just that when the body decides to do it at a very unexpected moment, it's initially quite worrying. But don't worry. It'll all be ok.
Wow... this is a really long post and now I should really stop and get some sleep. No doubt you got bored and stopped reading ages ago but maybe this will help someone, somewhere and so then it'll be worth it.
I'll end by saying that I don't suffer anxiety anymore. Not at all, though I have had some nervousness when taking some substances before. but I think that's probably a perfectly acceptable and natural thing. So I don't sweat it and you shouldn't either Meh!
Stay cool and cheers.
Danke fuer die Aufmerksamkeit.
Und ich will niemandem den Konsum schlecht reden oder Angst machen, ich will nur, dass
ihr euch BEWUSST seid, was ihr tut!
turn on, tune in and drop out!!
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...sehr schön das....Le_Lotus. Ich sehe das Integrieren ebenfalls extremst zentral! Und genau so, wie du es beschrieben hast wird es ja auch gemacht: Indem man OFFEN LÄSST, dass es Möglichkeiten zur Lösungen gibt, die einem vielleicht NICHT einfallen, oder die man nicht kennt/kennen kann! DIe Modelle sind zwar wichtig, aber sie müssen stets offenbleiben für Anpassungen oder spontane Wandlungen, oder halt auch für Unberechenbares... 
